Read Reflect Rise With Wils Struthers-Cooper S1E3 Big Magic
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[00:03] Hello and welcome to Read, Reflect, Rise, where we explore words of wisdom from wonderful
[00:08] authors, invest in our personal growth and find ways to centre ourselves in this wonderful
[00:14] yet oh-so-chaotic life. I’m your host, Will Struthers-Cooper, a teacher, wellbeing coach
[00:20] and one of your biggest fans on our journey of self-discovery.
[00:24] In each episode we dive into the wisdom of an inspiring author, a thought leader, a meditation
[00:30] teacher, a researcher or maybe even a poet, whose words spark transformation and invite
[00:35] heart full living. Together we’ll reflect on their insights, embark on a guided moment
[00:40] of stillness inspired by their work and conclude with a powerful affirmation you can carry
[00:45] with you throughout the week. Today’s episode is a deep dive into the world of creativity,
[00:50] courage and inspiration through the eyes of an author who has encouraged millions to
[00:55] listen to their innermost feelings, eat indulgent pasta dishes and step into their full potential.
[01:00] We’re talking about none other than Elizabeth Gilbert and today we’re looking at her book,
[01:05] Big Magic. This book is like a love letter to creativity, an invitation to live with
[01:11] curiosity and courage, not fear. If you’ve ever longed to grow and express yourself more
[01:17] but held yourself back, if you’ve ever doubted whether your ideas were good enough or if
[01:22] you’ve ever felt stuck despite yearning to move forward and grow, this episode is the
[01:27] one for you.
[01:29] Elizabeth Gilbert is a name you might recognise from Eat Pray Love. It was a global sensation
[01:34] that sent countless people on journeys of self-discovery and it starred Julia Roberts
[01:38] in the film version. Liz Gilbert is much, much more than just a best-selling author.
[01:43] She’s a leader. She embodies grace, courage and vulnerability in the way she lives her
[01:48] life and she’s clearly a deep thinker about the creative process itself. In Big Magic,
[01:55] she unpacks what it truly means to live a life of inner freedom, not in the sense of
[02:00] being a professional artist but in the sense of embracing expansiveness in everyday living,
[02:05] whether that’s through painting, writing, gardening or simply thinking in new ways.
[02:10] What makes Gilbert’s approach to creativity so powerful is her perspective on fear. She
[02:16] doesn’t tell us to conquer fear or eliminate it. She invites us to make space for our fears,
[02:22] even the debilitating ones, but not let them be in charge. Her philosophy? That ideas are
[02:29] living things waiting for us to collaborate with them and that creative living doesn’t
[02:34] require us to be fearless. It just requires courage. Now, let’s immerse ourselves in her words.
[02:43] This passage from Big Magic speaks to the heart of creative courage. Let’s settle in,
[02:48] take a breath and absorb some wisdom from Liz Gilbert. The fear you need and the fear
[02:55] you don’t need. Now you probably think I’m going to tell you that you must become fearless in
[03:01] order to live a more creative life, but I’m not going to tell you that because I don’t happen to
[03:06] believe it’s true. Creativity is a path for the brave, yes, but it is not a path for the fearless
[03:12] and it’s important to recognize the distinction. Bravery means doing something scary. Fearlessness
[03:20] means not even understanding what the word scary means. If your goal in life is to become fearless,
[03:27] then I believe you’re already on the wrong path because the only truly fearless people I’ve ever
[03:32] met were straight-up sociopaths and a few exceptionally reckless three-year-olds and those
[03:37] aren’t good role models for anyone. The truth is you need your fear for obvious reasons of basic
[03:44] survival. Evolution did well to install a fear reflex within you because if you didn’t have any
[03:50] fear you would leave a short, crazy, stupid life. You would walk into traffic, you would
[03:56] drift off into the woods and be eaten by bears. You would jump into giant waves off the coast of
[04:02] Hawaii despite being a poor swimmer. You would marry a guy who said on the first date, I don’t
[04:07] necessarily believe people were designed by nature to be monogamous. So yes, you absolutely do need
[04:14] your fear in order to protect you from actual dangers like the ones I’ve listed above, but you
[04:19] not need your fear in the realm of creative expression. Seriously, you don’t. Just because
[04:26] you don’t need your fear when it comes to creativity of course doesn’t mean your fear won’t show up.
[04:32] Trust me, your fear will always show up, especially when you’re trying to be inventive or innovative.
[04:38] Your fear will always be triggered by your creativity because creativity asks you to enter
[04:43] realms of uncertain outcome and fear hates uncertain outcome. Your fear, programmed by
[04:51] evolution to be hyper vigilant and insanely overprotective, will always assume that any
[04:57] uncertain outcome is destined to end in a bloody, horrible death. Basically, your fear is like a
[05:04] mall cop who thinks he’s a Navy SEAL. He hasn’t slept in days, he’s all hopped up in Red Bull and
[05:10] he’s liable to shoot at his own shadow in an absurd effort to keep everyone safe. This is
[05:16] totally natural and human. It’s absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. It is however, something that
[05:22] very much needs to be dealt with. The road trip. Here’s how I’ve learned to deal with my fear. I
[05:30] made a decision a long time ago that if I want creativity in my life, and I do, then I will have
[05:36] to make space for fear too. Plenty of space. I decided that I would need to build an expansive
[05:44] enough interior life that my fear and my creativity could peacefully coexist since it appeared that
[05:50] they would always be together. In fact, it seems to me that my fear and my creativity are basically
[05:57] conjoined twins as evidenced by the fact that creativity cannot take a single step forward
[06:03] without fear marching right alongside it. Fear and creativity shared a womb. They were born at
[06:10] the same time and they still share some vital organs. This is why we have to be careful of how
[06:15] we handle our fear because I’ve noticed that when people try to kill off their fear, they often end
[06:21] up inadvertently murdering their creativity in the process. So I don’t try to kill off my fear. I
[06:36] make space for fear right this moment. I allow my fear to live and breathe and stretch out its legs
[06:42] comfortably. It seems to me that the less I fight my fear, the less it fights back. If I can relax,
[06:49] fear relaxes too. In fact, I cordially invite fear to come along with me everywhere I go. I even have
[06:56] a welcoming speech prepared for fear, which I deliver right before embarking upon my new project
[07:02] or big adventure. It goes something like this. Dearest fear, creativity and I are about to go on
[07:09] a road trip together. I understand you’ll be joining us because you always do. I acknowledge
[07:15] that you believe you have an important job to do in my life and that you take your job seriously.
[07:21] Apparently your job is to induce complete panic whenever I’m about to do anything interesting and
[07:25] may I say you are superb at your job. So by all means keep doing your job if you feel you must. I
[07:34] will also be doing my job on this road trip, which is to work hard and stay focused and creativity
[07:40] will be doing its job, which is to remain stimulating and inspiring. There’s plenty of
[07:46] room in this vehicle for all of us, so make yourself at home. But understand this, creativity
[07:52] and I are the only ones who will be making any decisions along the way. I recognize and respect
[07:58] that you’re part of this family and so I will never exclude you from our activities. But still,
[08:04] your suggestions will never be followed. You’re allowed to have a seat and you’re allowed to have
[08:09] a voice, but you’re not allowed to have a vote. You’re not allowed to touch the road maps. You’re
[08:14] not allowed to suggest detours. You’re not allowed to fiddle with the temperature. Dude, you’re not
[08:19] allowed to touch the radio. But above all else, my dear old familiar friend, you are absolutely
[08:26] forbidden to drive. Then we head off together, me and creativity and fear, side by side forever,
[08:36] advancing once more into the terrifying but marvelous terrain of unknown outcome. Why it’s
[08:43] worth it? It isn’t always comfortable or easy carrying your fear around with you and your great
[08:48] and ambitious road trip. I mean, but it’s always worth it because if you can’t learn to travel
[08:54] comfortably alongside your fear, then you’ll never be able to go anywhere interesting or do
[08:59] anything interesting. And that would be a pity because your life is short and rare and amazing
[09:05] and miraculous and you want to do really interesting things and make really interesting things while
[09:11] you’re still here. I know that’s what you want for yourself because that’s what I want for myself
[09:15] too. It’s what we all want. And you have treasures hidden within you, extraordinary treasures. And so
[09:23] do I. And so does everyone around us. And bringing those treasures to light takes work and faith
[09:30] and focus and courage and hours of devotion. And the clock is ticking and the world is spinning
[09:38] and we simply do not have time anymore to think so small.
[09:52] And when you’re ready, we’re going to go into meditation inspired by Liz Gilbert’s words.
[10:01] What a powerful meditation I’m using on courage and fear and how you can invite fear along for the journey.
[10:13] Beautiful prose, but sometimes easier said than done. So let yourself settle down into your body,
[10:24] whether you’re moving or still, it makes no odds. Feel your feet, feel the touch of your hands on
[10:32] whatever they’re on. Feel any support you’ve got on your seat or your back. And allow yourself to
[10:42] breathe in and release. And again, breathe in and release. Notice any sounds around you.
[11:01] It could be the wind moving the trees. It could be traffic. It could be machines buzzing or
[11:07] could be other people’s voices. Give yourself the gift of presence. In this moment, what do you notice?
[11:20] In this moment, what do you notice? And again, breathing in and allowing yourself to release
[11:31] the tension in your body and the breath.
[11:37] Taking longer and longer exhales as you take a moment to be and breathe.
[11:55] And now I want you to think about getting into a car. You’re going somewhere new, somewhere
[12:00] you’ve always wanted to go. It could be an actual physical destination, an adventure, a journey.
[12:07] It could be into a new job or into a new facet of a relationship.
[12:16] You’re going to take a car to get there.
[12:22] And you get into the car, it doesn’t matter if you’re the driver or the passenger.
[12:29] And you let your old friend fear come in. Now if you haven’t ever pictured your fear before,
[12:38] allow yourself a moment just to work out what they look like. Are they tall, short, jagged, curvy, angular?
[12:52] Do they look like a human or some kind of cartoon character? Are they an animal?
[12:58] But remember they’ve got to fit into this car. And you might even want to put them into maybe
[13:04] a child’s car seat. So they might need to shrink in size a little bit. Make them the size of
[13:13] a toddler perhaps. And they’re not in charge. And even if they think they are, they’re not in charge.
[13:22] So you just make sure they’ve got their seatbelts all done up and they’re secure and they can’t go anywhere.
[13:31] Now look ahead. Now you’re back in your own seat. Where are you traveling to?
[13:37] How do you want to be when you get there?
[13:44] Think about how you’ll feel in your own skin. How you’ll dress, how you’ll move, what you’ll say.
[13:53] Paint a picture of that you that’s going to come alive at your destination.
[14:00] Have you made something? Have you changed something? Have you become something?
[14:09] And allow yourself to take a moment knowing fine well that fear’s in the back seat all strapped in,
[14:16] buckled up. They can speak but they don’t have any power.
[14:24] Allow yourself time to soak in that vision
[14:31] of what you’ve done, where you’ve gone, who you’re becoming.
[14:43] Picture what you’re wearing.
[14:49] Look around you.
[14:53] Are you in the corner office? Are you holding a brand new printed manuscript in your hands?
[15:02] Are you dancing? Are you standing on top of a mountain? Are you in a corner office?
[15:06] Are you in a fountain? What’s your dream? What’s your creative soul calling for?
[15:20] Let it exist.
[15:28] And allow a smile to grow on your face.
[15:32] And if you hear that little voice in the back seat piping up, remember they’re not driving the car.
[15:39] You and creativity are.
[15:44] So pass them back a colouring book. Pass them back a snack.
[15:52] They’ve got a voice but it’s not going to change your journey.
[16:03] Now I want you to encompass, gather up all of that journey energy.
[16:14] And rest your hands on your heart.
[16:20] Allow the corners of your mouth to lift.
[16:25] Allow yourself to breathe into that energy inside of you.
[16:30] Allow your chest and your ribs to expand in a circle.
[16:36] And imagine it traveling down through your torso, down your legs, into your feet.
[16:43] Out through your shoulders, down to your fingertips, up to the very top of your head.
[16:52] This dream came from within you. You now know what it looks like to live it.
[17:08] Allow yourself to live it no matter what fear says.
[17:16] Now coming back to the soles of your feet, wiggle your toes, move your fingers,
[17:23] put some pressure down onto the balls of your feet and into your heels.
[17:27] Feel that strength. Do the same with your hands. Apply some pressure.
[17:35] Feel that power. That’s all inside of you.
[17:57] Thanks for coming along on that journey with me.
[18:02] Creating our lives, creativity, it’s not about being perfect. It’s about showing up.
[18:09] It’s about taking one tiny step forward. It’s about saying yes to inspiration when it comes knocking.
[18:19] And as you move through your week, I invite you to hold on to this affirmation.
[18:24] All of my feelings are welcome. I move forward with grace. I move forward with love.
[18:34] All of my feelings are welcome. I move forward with grace. I move forward with love.
[18:43] And if that doesn’t resonate or go deeply enough for you in some moments of panic or fear, play with this one.
[18:50] I see my fear. I breathe into my fear. I take one step forward despite my fear.
[19:02] I see my fear. I breathe into my fear. I take one step forward despite my fear.
[19:15] Let it be a reminder that you don’t need permission to create. You just need to begin.
[19:24] Thank you for spending this time with me on Read, Reflect, Rise. I hope today’s episode has given
[19:28] you a sense of possibility, a fresh perspective and a little nudge toward whatever magic is calling
[19:33] you to create something that will make your heart sing. If this episode resonated with you, share it
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[20:20] moments of reflection and growth. Remember, as you move through your week, creativity is not something
[20:27] outside of you. It’s already within you, waiting to be invited to live its best life. You always hold
[20:33] the power to create one breath, one pause and one choice at a time. Until next time, I’m Will
[20:40] Struthers-Cooper reminding you to take a moment to be so you can reflect and rise. Go well, take great
[20:46] care of each other and remember there is magic, medicine and power in the words we weave and wield.
[20:53] Big Magic.
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[21:01] Perspective on fear.
[21:09] And you’re rare and miraculous and amazing. Okay.
[21:24] Stitch.